Cheddite Primers

srp*asta said: So I need to know about these alot of people say these are interchangable with the rem209 or win209 does anyone have hard evidence on this?

hk33k*1 said: I use them in various shotgun hulls to reload just fine. 209 Primers of any brand should fit any modern paper or plastic hull. If you are stictly by the book, you will want to buy the type of primer/wad/hull your manual says for the load you use.

F*ssteel said: So I need to know about these alot of people say these are interchangable with the rem209 or win209 does anyone have hard evidence on this? Hard evidence, no. But for quite a few years in the late 90's they were the most affordable primer so many folks loading bought them and used them with out any trouble. I'm sure I have used 20K of them in various hulls. FS

W*n/64 said: For me they have worked very well. They are about 1/2 a grain hotter than the Wln. 209.

srp*asta said: And if they are a half grain hotter, what does that mean?? Sorry just new to reloading

3m*cs1 said: So I need to know about these alot of people say these are interchangable with the rem209 or win209 does anyone have hard evidence on this? Once you put a cheddite 209 primer in a hull that hull is now for reloading with cheddite only.They are slightly bigger diameter and stretch the primer pocket just enough that a win 209 etc will fall out. Also although many people say they are a direct equivalent to a win 209 they are actually hotter and closer to s federal 209A. I would only reload them with data that calls for cheddite primers. Here is an example from another form Rem 12ga STS Hull 1 1/8 oz Win 209 WAA12 18.4 Clays 1200 fps 11,300 psi 1 1/8 oz Ched 209 WAA12 16.4 Clays 1145 fps 10,600 psi Substituting the Cheddite 209 in load #1 with the 18.4 grs of clays would probably push pressures quite a ways above SAMMI, They'd still be fine in 3.5" guns with a SAMMI ratings of 14,500 psi,but would be over the recommended pressures for 3" and 2 3/4" guns. The cheddite/win primer switch isn't identical ballistically in all cases.So be careful and load only published recipies for them don't do direct win 209 switches with out checking the pressures being developed with the change.

n*tsorichguy said: My ML uses 209 primers. Winchester and Fed all seem to shoot about the same; 1985 to 2024 fps with 150gr 777 pellets & 250gr Hornady XTP & sabbot. The ched primers seem to bump up velocity a bit 2005 to 2038 fps, with the same load, also a touch more accurate. YMMV

W*n/64 said: Once you put a cheddite 209 primer in a hull that hull is now for reloading with cheddite only.They are slightly bigger diameter and stretch the primer pocket just enough that a win 209 etc will fall out. That used to be the case. But not anymore I interchange WW and Cheddites all the time and never have a primer fall out or even loosen up. They used to be a touch wider but now they mic. the same.

3m*cs1 said: That used to be the case. But not anymore I interchange WW and Cheddites all the time and never have a primer fall out or even loosen up. They used to be a touch wider but now they mic. the same. Never changed to my knowledge but I believe you. You don't notice it in 12 ga as much but it is brutal in 410.I just got a batch of 300 410 hs that were loaded with Cheddites then winchester. They are a mess almost all of the win fell out..

W*n/64 said: Never changed to my knowledge but I believe you. You don't notice it in 12 ga as much but it is brutal in 410.I just got a batch of 300 410 hs that were loaded with Cheddites then winchester. They are a mess almost all of the win fell out.. That sucks. What a pain.

3m*cs1 said: That sucks. What a pain. Here you go. I learned something today. I guess there is three different ones potentially sold in the US the cx2000 are the same rest are not. http://www.trapshooters.com/cfpages/thread.cfm?threadid=217297&Messages=1 Mine for sure are not ( bought around 2005/2006) you have been lucky I would say and have cx2000. I got them for like 23/1000 so god knows what he got in. My stash exactly the same as the 1st post on trapshooters win 209 flash hole .235 flange end .239 My cheddite flash hole .240 flange end .242 Apparently the cx2000 have a red end on the flash hole mine are all black.

W*n/64 said: Here you go. I guess there is three different ones sold in the US the cx2000 are the same rest are not. http://www.trapshooters.com/cfpages/thread.cfm?threadid=217297&Messages=1 Mine for sure are not you have been lucky I would say and have cx2000 My stash exactly the same as the 1st post on trapshooters win 209 flash hole .235 flange end .239 My cheddite flash hole .240 flange end .242 Apparently the cx2000 have a red end on the flash hole mine are all black. Mine are Red (and black when used :)) but they are not marked CX2000 anywhere on the box. As I said they mic. the same as the WW.

3m*cs1 said: Mine are Red (and black when used :)) but they are not marked CX2000 anywhere on the box. As I said they mic. the same as the WW. yep yep yep. If they are red they are cx2000 and would be within .001 of a winchester. That is why you are having no problems with the holes in your hulls.

W*n/64 said: yep yep yep. If they are red they are cx2000 and would be within .001 of a winchester. That is why you are having no problems with the holes in your hulls. That's a relief. I like having no problems with my holes.

r*mbolt said: Mine are Red (and black when used :)) but they are not marked CX2000 anywhere on the box. As I said they mic. the same as the WW. From what I have read on the SGW site the primer slieve should have cx2000 printed on the back of it.theres a whole thread talking about cheddite primers.some have also reported problems with pierced cheddite primers.personaly I only use published data and use cci 209 or win 209 depending on the data being used.for a few cents per primer in the difference its not worth the chance of damage or injury in my opinion.

W*n/64 said: From what I have read on the SGW site the primer slieve should have cx2000 printed on the back of it.theres a whole thread talking about cheddite primers.some have also reported problems with pierced cheddite primers.personaly I only use published data and use cci 209 or win 209 depending on the data being used.for a few cents per primer in the difference its not worth the chance of damage or injury in my opinion. I have had better luck with Cheddites than with WW. Many more failure to fire with the WW than the Cheddites.

srp*asta said: So after great reading and the comment just above from Rembolt I have decided to go with what the book says for an extra penny per primer. I was able to take back the cheddites and get some winchesters in place. I am very anal when it comes to safety so I am going with the book not the net this time. But thank you for all the info and help regarding this topic Cheers

3m*cs1 said: So after great reading and the comment just above from Rembolt I have decided to go with what the book says for an extra penny per primer. I was able to take back the cheddites and get some winchesters in place. I am very anal when it comes to safety so I am going with the book not the net this time. But thank you for all the info and help regarding this topic Cheers There is nothing wrong with being anal when reloading. This summer it will be 37 years since I pulled down my 1st handle and reloaded a shot gun shell.I have had years when I would load 2000 others 30,000. I have never never loaded anything that was not a published accepted combination.I load every gauge from 410 to 10ga in both lead and steel. I can count on one hand over all those reloads how many duds I have had, not too many. I use 99% winchester 209 and just have a few boxes of cheddite because I had a opportunity to get them for 23/1000 a few years back. I use them on my 12 ga crow loads which are a cheep federal hull and home made shot I buy from the guys at the club and that is about it. Take your time and you will be fine but never experiment with reloading.

srp*asta said: so now one other question about my lyman book I bought a case of 2 3/4 rem gun club target shots and going to reload these also but dont see them in the book help would be great

r*mbolt said: The remington gun club hulls use the same data as the rem sts or nitro hulls.check out the Hodgdon online data center lots of info there. http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

n*nepointer said: I'll substitute Cheddite primers in 12 ga. target loads because there's lots of room to accommodate pressure differences. In 20 ga. however, the pressure margins are tighter and I stay by the book.

W*n/64 said: I have shot somewhere between 15 & 20,000 Cheddite Primers with only one FTF and no "pierced Primers" I don't know if the one FTF was my fault or the Primers. The last case of WW I bought (5000) had over 10 FTF's. Since then I have switched to Cheddites. And they are cheaper.

3m*cs1 said: I have shot somewhere between 15 & 20,000 Cheddite Primers with only one FTF and no "pierced Primers" I don't know if the one FTF was my fault or the Primers. The last case of WW I bought (5000) had over 10 FTF's. Since then I have switched to Cheddites. And they are cheaper. You have been lucky.Punch trough is very common with them on the high end skeet guns and some of the over under brownings. There was a few guys at the club over the years lost firing pins as a result and will no longer use them. I have not used enough of them to see the punch trough plus no longer own a K32 or K80.

W*n/64 said: I have shot them through Perazzis, SKB's Winchester SX-1's various SxS's, Model 12's and recently my TsKib Soo. Not one pierced Primer.

3m*cs1 said: I have shot them through Perazzis, SKB's Winchester SX-1's various SxS's, Model 12's and recently my TsKib Soo. Not one pierced Primer. Funny but it happens that some guys will have no issues with them. Do a quick search on google and others seem to have seen many punch throughs as we have witnessed here. Could be all the batch of primers who knows.

W*n/64 said: The only ones I have used are marked CX2000 (as Rembo Pointed out) I have never used any other Cheddite types. I know lots of guys that use them and everything I hear is positive.

3m*cs1 said: The only ones I have used are marked CX2000 (as Rembo Pointed out) I have never used any other Cheddite types. I know lots of guys that use them and everything I hear is positive. OK you got me off my lazy butt to go and dig. I have 4 boxes of 1000 here from a couple of different batches it seems ,all are black flash hole and oversized and no cx2000 anywhere. So it looks like they sell us the old junk down here. I wonder when the cx2000 came out. The date on mine are 2003 and 2007. http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h215/JoesCars/000_0699.jpg

W*n/64 said: I have been using the CX2000's for about 3 or 4 years now. Have no idea when they first came out. They run $39.95 for a Thousand.


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