.222 and .223,whats the difference?
k*nneth carlson said: ok i just recieved a gun in trade its a bsa bolt action rewally nice rifle,but myqeustion is it says .222 on the barrel but it is registered as a .223, and the guy i got it from said its .223. i will bring it to the local gun shop and find out for sure but just for curiosity purposes what is the difference between a .222 and .223?and pictures of loaded and unloaded shells would also help thank you in advance. ken:confused:
G*tehouse said: They are similar but different. Google 222 vs 223 and I am sure you will get all your answers. SOunds liek your gun is incorrectly regisitered.
*WOL said: what is the difference between a .222 and .223? ken:confused: .001... :popCorn:
k*nneth carlson said: ok i just googled it and i see the difference so now my qeustion is would you be able to make a .222 into a .223 buy exteding the barrel out further then normal. why i am asking is that it looks like the barrel has been unscrewed outwards a little bit.
d*ad meat said: The 223 is a little longer case and holds more powder, get a reloading manual it will give case specs.
t*enahlake said: I wouldn't turn out the bbl as you may not adequately support the case but any gunsmith should be able to hand ream it for about 75$
M*unt Sweetness said: The gun could have been rechambered for .223, the previous owner and/or a gunsmith should be able to help you out. With the .223 you get a slight range advantage.
k*nneth carlson said: no no no i wasnt doing it,i said it looks as if it was cause i can see some threads of the barrel and it does look like its been twisted a little i'll take a few pics right away to show you's what i meen.
k*nneth carlson said: shoot i can't seem to post pics lol.but sure enough the position where the sight is supposed t be has been turned to the right.so the barrel has been turned outwards.how many turns i don't know but i can see a lot of area where it hasn't been blued.the guy i got it from has shot it with .223 and had no problems.so that the only thing i could think of.the original stamp for barrel caliber is sitting straght upwards thats also another indicator as they are mostly on the side of the barrel.
k*nneth carlson said: ok so again with my qeustion it looks like a home made job to turn it into a .223 right? as all they did was unscrew the barrel out further to fit a .223 into the gun? and yes i will be bringing it to my local gun shop and have it bput back to original and properly ream out the barrel. no cheepo jobs for my guns.
*TOM said: One thing to keep in mind is that the .222 Rem has a rep for very - very - good accuracy. The .223 is less so. That doesn't mean it's bad, but the .222 seems to have a slight edge in accuracy. Power is effectively the same. I wouldn't be in too much hurry to rechamber.
j*squin said: ok i just googled it and i see the difference so now my qeustion is would you be able to make a .222 into a .223 buy exteding the barrel out further then normal. why i am asking is that it looks like the barrel has been unscrewed outwards a little bit. According to Cartridges of the World, the OAL of the .222 case is 1.700", the .223, 1.760". The diameter of the .223 case at the shoulder is .0003" smaller for the .223, but this would chamber OK and fireform out. The case length to the shoulder is 1.387" (.222) and 1.557" (.223). The .222 also has a slightly longer neck, although the OAL is less. Screwing out the barrel would put the face of the bolt further away from the chamber, which would allow the longer case to chamber at the expense of having a bit of the rim sticking out. I'd bet if you dropped a .222 case in, it would sit flush, but a .223 would sit slightly proud, probably just slightly deeper than the rim. I'd guess this must have been a "home gunsmith" conversion. Are there any telltale marks on the barrel to indicate that a proper barrel vise may not have been used? If so it's a bit "quick and nasty" but it might be perfectly safe. If so, there's no reason to change it back, but if it were mine, having the sight dovetail canted to one side would bug me and I'd get a gunsmith to turn it back to the original place. There's nothing wrong with the .222 unless you feel you need the bit of extra range the .223 gives you. There's only about 100 fps. difference in velocity between them. :) Stuart
k*nneth carlson said: no i can't seem to find any marks on the barrel. and yes the way the sight is on the side does bother me, unless i try shooting it out the window sideways like pistols in movies lol(joking). i might get the gunsmith to put it back in appropiate spot,and double check everything out, and go to ct and buy a few boxes of .222 cal shells to test it out maybe this weekend, i am going their first thing in the morning. and that brings me up to my next qeustion, (yeah you saw it coming) how is availabilty of ammunition for the.222? and what is the cost of it,and how much or less of cost is it compared to .223 for reloading? thanks in advance.
m*ynard said: Sounds like a barnyard .223 conversion. Take it to a gunsmith.
k*nneth carlson said: i am taking it to gunsmith first thing in the morning.
j*squin said: ...go to ct and buy a few boxes of .222 cal shells... I'd be surprised if CT will have .222 ammunition, although they'll almost certainly have .223. But brass for the .222 is available, (make sure you get .222 Rem and not .222 Rem. Magnum) and the cost of reloading once you have brass is pretty much the same as the .223, which takes a grain or two more powder. If you neck-size only you'll get better brass life. :) Stuart
tr*vj said: Post a picture or two. You cannot just attach them and post. They have to be stored somewhere on a hosting site, such as Photobucket. Adjustable chamber length? That sounds a step beyond what Bubba would do. Cheers Trev
t*riaq said: I am going to suggest that unscrewing a .222 barrel so that .223 would chamber would be a mind numbingly stupid thing to do. Get the rifle to a competent gunsmith and find out exactly what you have before you even consider shooting it.
k*nneth carlson said: can tire has 3 boxes of winchester .222 ammo in stock(i work at ct) and they have absolutely no .223 and will not carry it as it can also be used in assault rifles, this stores policy. and yes i am leaving my house right away to go to the gunshop. thanks ken.
B*omer said: can tire has 3 boxes of winchester .222 ammo in stock(i work at ct) and they have absolutely no .223 and will not carry it as it can also be used in assault rifles, this stores policy. and yes i am leaving my house right away to go to the gunshop. thanks ken. That is absolutely ridiculous. If they only stocked ammunition that could not be chambered in military style rifles, they wouldn't have much on the shelf. I bet they can't even define what an assault rifle is.
B*omer said: Here is a side by side comparison of the .222 on the left and the .223 on the right. The .222 has a case length of 1.70" and the .223's length is 1.76". Case head is the same size at .378". These two cartridges are in no way interchangeable, although I have made .222 cases from .223 brass. Although the pic makes the .223 look larger in the web area, both measure .376". http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/iceblaster2/222vsjpg.jpg
k*nneth carlson said: well just got back from the gunshop and i got the ok for it to use .223 ammunition in it. so out to the range maybe next week when i get more cash for ammunition lol.
j*squin said: ... they have absolutely no .223 and will not carry it as it can also be used in assault rifles, this stores policy.... thanks ken. You're joking, right? I bet there's no .308, either. (I guess there's no use splitting hairs and telling the idiot manager that the ammunition used in an "assault rifle" in that calibre uses a 69 grain bullet, so selling the civilian stuff is OK?) Well, in this case an idiot policy is your gain. And a sign- a SIGN, I TELL YOU! - that your rifle is really a .222, and should remain as such, despite bubba's misguided attempt to indicate otherwise. :) Stuart
k*nneth carlson said: lol.yeah they are trying to stock ammo but,they are very very picky for some reason on what comes in and out.i have sat down with the BOSS and had a chat about bringing in a few different types of ammo and he said maybe.so the best i can do is hope for the best.they got .308,30-06,both automatic rifle cartridges but .223 is more well known i geuss, ohh well maybe my talking with the boss might make some improvements of how people look at firearms.
k*nneth carlson said: http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx290/kenneth_carlson/223/?action=view¤t=P3160003.jpg here are some pictures http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/xx290/kenneth_carlson/223/?action=view¤t=P3160006.jpg
j*squin said: ... ohh well maybe my talking with the boss might make some improvements of how people look at firearms. Maybe take him out shooting with that "assault rifle" of yours? I'd still get the barrel set back to its proper place, though. It's just "not right" where it is, even if it's safe. Your first pic is a tad fuzzy (mind you I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet and everything is a tad fuzzy before that) but in the second one it sure looks like something attacked the barrel. A sure sign that Bubba Was Here. :) Stuart
t*riaq said: If the barrel was unscrewed until .223 would chamber it is not safe. There would be too much of the cartridge hanging out in the air. A blown casehead would be a real risk. Find out exactly what was done to the rifle to allow it to chamber .223.
k*nneth carlson said: the second picture is where the rear sight should be at.
2f*t2fly said: http://s764.photobucket.com/albums/x...t=P3160006.jpg That's a hidious bubba job. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/iceblaster2/222vsjpg.jpg Looks to me like someone tried to ream the chamber and didn't go deep enough with the reamer. Looking at the photo of the cases, you'd never be able to chamber 223 without reaming the chamber. If the barrel is screwed out far enough for 223 to chamber, it's out a LONG way.
n*tenough said: It could also simply be a bad gunsmith job. Barrel is taken off, reamed to 223 and then just re-headspaced. May not have taken into account the position of the site screw holes. I had one gunsmith ask me that before, even though I was not placing the sites back on I wanted everything to line up regardless.
s*nray said: Go here for the dimensions of the two cartridges. http://stevespages.com/page8d.htm