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mwj*nes said: I'm thinking there's a problem with my media. Using lyman tuffnut. When i first got it, i could throw some brass in for a couple hours and come back to a mirror finish on my brass, like really REALLY shiny and bright. For some reason, now, i'm getting a kind of a satin/sandblasted kind of finish on them? They're still clean, and they'll work, I just want to know why they're not shiny!
br*ncoo said: dirty media, toss a used dryer sheet and tumble may take a few cycles to get clean brass also comes out as you describe if you use plain walnut with no polish i have loaded lots of ammo with that look to em
Cr*ig0ry said: Could be some sand that was in one of your cases? Or it might just be time to replace the media, I use corn cob with some brasso poured in and I'v been on the same batch of media for months now, and I do quite a bit of tumbling
C*mmins4x4 said: The same thing happens with the corncob media I use. I use the Lyman media rejuvenator, add a couple of caps and run it without brass for an hour, then leave the top open so it can dry out. You will likely find that a quick polish with a cloth will bring out the shine, its usually just dust thats stuck to the brass. Also the used dryer sheet trick works good to keep the dust from building up.
mwj*nes said: I've been putting 2 or 3 dryer sheets in per run, and they all come out totally caked with dust. I've tried adding nu-finish as well. Is there any way to clean media? it's only been run for maybe....30 hours? it can't be toast after so little use :O I was thinking about going outside during a brisk wind and pouring the media into a different bucket to try to get the dust to blow off.
C*mmins4x4 said: It might be the nut media, thats what was in my tumbler when I got it and there was huge amounts of reddish dust. Switched to the treated corncob, takes a little longer to do the job but so what. Mine has hundreds of hours and is still working.
C*mmy7s said: I just throw in a few bounce sheets(new or used), or bits of paper towel, or bore cleaning patches, or a bit of old rag that is haning around. They all help collect the dust and keep it clean, some work better than others though. I also find that a cup full of rice added to the walnut helps keep the brass shinier and the media a little cleaner as well.
tjh*ile said: I found that with the new formula Brasso (white coloured in a plastic squeeze bottle) and plastic beads would result in cases that are clean, but have that dull, etched appearance. If I use walnut media with the Brasso (or Silvo), it comes out bright. Silvo with the plastic beads comes out somewhat shiny, but not like with the walnut media. I wonder if the problem is that the beads aren't getting cleaned well enough when I wash them.
tjs*dbury said: Could be some sand that was in one of your cases? Or it might just be time to replace the media, I use corn cob with some brasso poured in and I'v been on the same batch of media for months now, and I do quite a bit of tumbling What you describe is exactly what happens if sand gets into the media.
mwj*nes said: So here's the question then....is there any way to clean the media? or just live with it until it stops cleaning, and buy new stuff?
J*rlath said: So here's the question then....is there any way to clean the media? or just live with it until it stops cleaning, and buy new stuff? If you can still make out the colour of your media, it's still good :P When your media was red and is now a dark brown, odds maybe that your media is done finally. As was said, Bounce sheets suck up enormous amounts of dust and dirt. As for cleaning it... You can "revitalize it, but cleaning media? Why bother? I'm a cheap dutchman, but not that cheap :P
mwj*nes said: My problem is that it's 15 bucks for 3 lbs, and i've cleaned maybe 300 brass with it. It would almost be cheaper to buy relatively clean once fired instead of cleaning them!
J*rlath said: My problem is that it's 15 bucks for 3 lbs, and i've cleaned maybe 300 brass with it. It would almost be cheaper to buy relatively clean once fired instead of cleaning them! Go to a pet shop and ask for corn cob and/or walnut bedding. More like $8 for 5lbs. Mine you the bedding is VERY large compared to branded tumbling media (2-3X) and doesn't work so well in small neck calibres. If you shoot lead opposed to plated bullets, the residual lube fouls tumbling media much faster and can leave hard deposits in the tumbler (blackened hard ring along the top line of media).
M*ltonBradly said: I had the same thing happen with my tumbler using walnut media, I thought I had put too many cases in Vs. the amount of media in the bin... I wasn't paying attention to sand/dirt getting in there (didn't realize it mattered) :redface: You live... You learn... MB
C*mmins4x4 said: As I said earlier I had the walnut media, my tumbler came with a bag of it "Bonus free bag o sh!t" I think they were giving it away cause nobody buys it. I used it a couple of times and the amount of dust was ridiculous and the brass was coated with it. I have had the same batch of Lyman corncob for 3 years now, have added the rejuvenator when it doesn't work very well and it still is doing fine. Leave the walnut for the squirrels:p
j*kfrost said: On the subject of tumblers and media...I have been reading about the 'stainless steel' media used in the jewellery type of tumblers, and looking at the 'u-tube' type of videos out there, it seems to be amazing stuff. Expensive to start out but last forever, gets into the flash holes and cleans the inside of the case as nicely as the outside! No dust, no mess. Anyone using this method? I am trying to decide which way to go...standard vibratory type, ultrasonic, or tumbler. Or a combination ( gasp ) of the above. I am starting up again after a 15 year hiatus from shooting and need to get a 'work flow' organized for my brass. So far I have realized that the procedure should include the following: 1. Sort the brass, and weigh it if really, ( really ) picky. 2. Remove the primer without re-sizing, ( or not...) 3. Clean the brass ( not necessarily 'polish', but clean...well ) 4. Confirm the flash hole dimensions. 5. Confirm the primer pocket dimensions. 6. Anneal the brass if necessary. 7. Resize the neck. 8. Trim the brass length. 9. Install the new primer and confirm seating depth. 10. Charge powder and seat the bullet using crimping die if necessary. 11. Confirm seating depth for specific chamber and bullet ogive. 12. I forgot, measure the case neck using a dial gauge for thickness and concentricity. 13. If you have time, fire the round and note accuracy :-). So what am I forgetting...I figure once you take the brass out of the equation of variables as much as you can the formula for an accurate round is slighly smaller, and this must be 'step one' in the effort to improve the long range ability of your chosen round. Jim :D
C*mmy7s said: GO to a sandblasting wholesaler. I picked up a 50lb bag of Medium Walnut from Manus Abrasives here in Edmonton for under $20. THis will last me years and I add just a bit of rice to every batch and it keeps things the way I like them. :D
C*mmins4x4 said: I have been looking into the SS pin media. First I have to buy a Tumbler and the media. It does a great job with Liquid in the mix, no more cleaning primer pockets. My dilema is how much of a PITA is drying the brass and washing out the media everytime you run a batch through? seems to be trading one set of problems for another. Hopefully someone doing the SS process can enlighten me??
tjs*dbury said: When I had sand contamination in a new batch of walnut media (from gravel pit brass) I dumped it all into a bucket of water. The sand sank, the media was skimmed off the top and dried out, and worked fine.
j*e-nwt said: When I had sand contamination in a new batch of walnut media (from gravel pit brass) I dumped it all into a bucket of water. The sand sank, the media was skimmed off the top and dried out, and worked fine. You dried walnut media?:eek: Did you read cammy7's post about buying 50lbs for $20? And you still want to clean used media?:confused: Must be nice to have all that free time on your hands........
m*ckle said: I have used my walnut shells for years by cleaning it with liquid dish soap I put it in a bucket add soap and hot water stir it round and strain it with a pair of my wife nylons several times adding water stirring and straining. Then I dry it behind the wood stove in a pan turning it and shacking it once and while until dry . works for me .You will be surprised how black the water will be keep doing it until clean water .
j*kfrost said: I have been looking into the SS pin media. First I have to buy a Tumbler and the media. It does a great job with Liquid in the mix, no more cleaning primer pockets. My dilema is how much of a PITA is drying the brass and washing out the media everytime you run a batch through? seems to be trading one set of problems for another. Hopefully someone doing the SS process can enlighten me?? There is no need to 'wash out the media' after tumbling using stainless pin media...have a look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-6SOiWE8Hc&feature=related Not the most professional presentation but you get a feel for the process, by the way there are LOTS of places to buy the stainless pin media on the web, it is used in many other applications besides cleaning brass... Jim
mwj*nes said: I call bs on the 20 bucks for a 50 lb bag of walnut blasting media. I've been looking. The best i've found so far is "premium grade" walnut blastign media from kbc tools, and it's nearly 80 bucks for a 50 pound bag, plus shipping which i'm guessing would probably be another 50 bucks. even so, though, that's under 3 bucks a pound, and the lyman stuff works out to about 6 bucks a pound.
j*e-nwt said: I bought my last 50lb bag at Princess Auto for $29.00. You're not looking hard enough.;)
d*zzy said: Getting a Stainless media tumbler for Christmas, will chime in with the results when I get back from holidays. Will run it through a thumler model b rock tumbler, bought from canadian treasure seekers.
KDX said: Man what a bunch of tight asses on here. Replace the stupid media when it's ready to be replaced.:rolleyes:
Why n*t? said: I call bs on the 20 bucks for a 50 lb bag of walnut blasting media. I've been looking. The best i've found so far is "premium grade" walnut blastign media from kbc tools, and it's nearly 80 bucks for a 50 pound bag, plus shipping ............. The joy of living in the Maritimes. No offence, but you are really, really, getting ripped on that stuff. Ted
C*eZer said: I never use same media more that 4-5 times. It gets dirty and... you guessed it - doesn't clean anymore, as well as new media. Would you wash your clothes in exact same water you washed your clothes last week, and week before, and 3 weeks ago? I do recommend using plain walnut shell from pet store - it's in most cases dust free!! Due to whatever 'pet hazard' rules and regulations and whatnot. No need to buy Lyman media. Use corn cob along walnut shell, 70/30 volume ratio - walnut shell scrubs, cob polishes - all at the same time. Use cleaning/polishing compound to get oxidation and powder and dirt off cases. Clean, say, 200-300 9mm cases at a time in a regular size tumbler. Add a tablespoon full of NuFinish or whatnot to media (and break clumps) before process. Usually takes 1.5-2hrs to get nice clean brass. Toss and replace media after 3-5 uses.
b*zman89 said: I'm thinking there's a problem with my media. Using lyman tuffnut. When i first got it, i could throw some brass in for a couple hours and come back to a mirror finish on my brass, like really REALLY shiny and bright. For some reason, now, i'm getting a kind of a satin/sandblasted kind of finish on them? They're still clean, and they'll work, I just want to know why they're not shiny! I think you just may be putting too much brass in a batch at one time. If there are too many of them they will chafe against each other and give that satin blasted/pitted look. I have had it happen. Yes, if there is sand or grit in the media it could also happen but dirty media just takes longer to clean. Just my opinion.
j*kfrost said: All you folks discussing walnut vs corn media...and the long range guru's say: "Cleaning: And while we are babying our brass, I do what many benchrest shooters have switched too: I use an ultrasonic cleaner to clean my brass. Vibratory tumblers only "pretty-fy" brass. It does not clean the inside, the flash hole nor the primer pocket. I do not need or care if the outside of my brass is shiny. As a long range shooter, I need the inside, the flash hole and the primer pocket to be clean in the name of uniform combustion & burn, shot to shot. Also all the rattling together of cases in the vibrator peens the cases together work harding them all the more though minimal. Get you a Ultrasonic cleaner (on the cheap from Harbor Freight.) Throw in your resized/deprimed cases. Cover the cases with distilled water. Then add 1 tablespoon of dish detergent as well as 3-6 tbsp of your favorite liquid brass cleaner. Birchwood-Casey, Lyman Turbo, etc. Any of the liquid products intended to be added into vibratory tumbling media." This quote is from the 24 Hr Campfire site, link to the page here: http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4104691/Hand_Loading_for_Long_range_1_#Post4104691 So I'm thinking I might just skip the walnut/corn debate and go straight to the ultrasonic or perhaps the stainless media tumbler method, although it sounds like it could 'peen' and harden the brass even more than the vibratory method. More annealing... Jim
mwj*nes said: Well, I haven't found anything decent yet. All the pet shops in town do NOT carry any kind of bird/lizard supplies. No walnut or corncom litter available. Charlottetown too. I talked to an old guy that runs a sandblastign company, and he said he could order me some. He was not too happy about me only wanting one 80 lb bag of media. Said he'd call me back in the morning with a price, and that was 4 days ago :( On the bright side, i tried takign the media that i have and ran it through a really fine sieve. I was amazed at the amount of dust i got out of it, and i thing it must have been some sand in there too, because i ran a batch of brass through and it's a little more shiny and polished that it was before.
j*e-nwt said: http://www.princessauto.com/workshop/air/sandblasting/sandblasting-accessories/8275398-walnut-shells See what the shipping would cost for you.
j*st having some fun said: check out English Walnut Shells Substrate 4 different size size bags to order from $9 for 5qt to $54 for 50 lb size is small enough that it will not stick in the primer hole but you will need to add one of the tumbler polishes http://www.bigalsonline.ca/Reptiles_Substrates_English-Walnut-Shells-Substrate_7439361_102.html?tc=default
R. P*nnock said: Try an Acklands store, they should have, or be able to get the walnut blast media. I bought a 50# bag through another source a few years ago, I think it was around 20.00 also. It was a little dustier than I cared for, but for what it cost I could live with it. I believe it was through Manus Abrasives out of Edmonton also. We have an industrial paint and sand blast division at work, so our Paint Shop Manager ordered it for me.
Cy*N1de said: So here's the question then....is there any way to clean the media? or just live with it until it stops cleaning, and buy new stuff? I buy walnut in a 50lb bag for $20 Lasts for about a year as I change it quite often. I use an Aluminum Mag Polish (Can be bought at Westcan Auto Supply under Pro Something-or-other) that gets put in and dispersed before adding my brass. Comes out super shiny clean.
sn*mad said: I've put a piece of 3M Duster material in with the walnut in my small rock tumbler after 200 brass and it came out totally brown, just loaded with dust. This last 65 came out better than the last batch. I'm not sure if it was the dust reduction or less brass. I'm sure the other retail floor duster material many of us use would work well. I've done about 275 pieces of rifle brass in a small tumbler and I think this batch of media will easily do that much more.
ykk*d said: mwjones, maybe you are just tumbling the bejeebers out of your brass? 300 cases but it has run for 30 hours? Three hundred .338 lapua should tumble up in not more than two batches, for a total necessary run time of perhaps 4 hours. And, if they really do have a dulled finish, your brass must have been contaminated with sand. Dump the media, and get some new. Oh, and I know Joe-NWT. Not much point in "calling bs." He don't.