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Cy*N1de said: O.K. let's say I don't need to have 5 shot 1 hole groups @ 500yds and only need a good varmint laod, is it still cheaper to reload them than to buy factory loads? Local price is $65/200 Win factory loads. Not a huge selection of places to buy here. I know there is even cheaper around as well, just not where I am. Price for Hornady SP's is around $25/100 plus powder and case cost. (Cheapest here I think) Factor in the price of a basic reloading setup $200ish after taxes It seems to me it would take many many years of shooting to start seeing even the slightest bit of savings over buying factory. I have just recently got into relaoding mine, maybe I made a mistake in thinking that I could save money by reloading the .223's as they are such a cheap round to buy. Anyway, let me know what your take is on it. Richard
s*nray said: Reloading isn't about saving money. It's about using the best possible ammo. It also makes the endless search for the best price go away.
hs4570 said: Keep buying factory ammo....that way there's more bullets..primers..powder available for those that prefer to make the "best possible ammo" your particular rifle (s) can shoot..
d*mndirtyape said: You can save money reloading 223 if you buy surplus powder and shoot 55 grain FMJ bullets, which seem to be the cheapest. If you use other components, it will probably end up being more expensive than the cheapest factory ammo, but it will be higher quality and still cheaper than premium factory ammo.
t*dbartell said: Higginsons sells 55 grain hornady sp w/ cannelure and milsurp powder like WC845 or whatever is the current lot With brass and primer I think I figured it out it was costing me around $5/20 or $50/200 shells to shoot. Accuracy was good too
L*ckyorwhat said: Where do you get surplus powder?
d*mndirtyape said: Where do you get surplus powder? Higginson Powders, you'll probably have to order at least 7 pounds to make the hazmat and shipping cheaper than buying commercial powder locally.
s*llymike said: The nice thing about reloading, is that you never have to worry about the store been sold out when you need it! (Forget the saving $$ idea, if you are like the rest of us, you'll only shoot more for the same $$)
sc*tty said: (Forget the saving $$ idea, if you are like the rest of us, you'll only shoot more for the same $$) Yes, but its an illusion that I enjoy clouding my self in.
pr*sper said: If all you need is cheap shitty 'blasting' ammo, factory *might* be a viable alternative. If you want a premium varmint round that's specifically tuned for your gun and a premium plastic tipped varmint bullet, then handloads are the way to go. Ditto for match ammo. Handloads will be more accurate when properly worked up, and about 1/2-1/3 the price.
t-st*r said: IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE TWIST OF YOUR BARRel- the guys with the 1/7 pretty well have to reload as all thatSEEMS to be out there is 55 grain stuff we need 62 or better-we can get 65 grain in bulk, you have to go to boxed for 70 and better- i don't think i've even SEEN a box of factory with anything heavier than 55- i know they're out there( i get the ammo catalogues too) but the retailers are reluctant to bring them in for some reason- seems i can always get tons of the winchester white 55 though
*gent_mango said: If you are looking for 62 grain whitebox Al Flaherty's in Toronto has some 1000 round cases of it.
sc*tty said: If you are looking for 62 grain whitebox Al Flaherty's in Toronto has some 1000 round cases of it. Price?
b*ltfed said: IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE TWIST OF YOUR BARRel- the guys with the 1/7 pretty well have to reload as all thatSEEMS to be out there is 55 grain stuff we need 62 or better-we can get 65 grain in bulk, you have to go to boxed for 70 and better- i don't think i've even SEEN a box of factory with anything heavier than 55- i know they're out there( i get the ammo catalogues too) but the retailers are reluctant to bring them in for some reason- seems i can always get tons of the winchester white 55 though All of the factory loaded 55 grain ammo I've run through my 3 Colt 1:7 twist barrels had excellent accuracy.
*gent_mango said: Price? Individual boxes are $6.99 each, but I bargained him down to $6.50 per box if I were to buy a case (with tax that's $370.50). But then when I got there and I saw it was 62 gr (I thought it was 55 gr, but they were sold out of that) I had a moment of indecision and decided not to get it. I had indecision because I had no clue how the 62 gr would shoot out of my savage (not that the 55 gr groups that great, but it really depends on the rifle), and I decided instead to get into reloading in a few months.
Pl*nk said: Pardon the totally noob question, but, I'm reading this forum trying to get a "list" of what I would need to begin reloading. If I wanted to start reloading .223 ammo, what exactly would I need?? I'm getting confused. I want the basic "OK here's what you need to start" kinda list. ya know?? Sorry, don't mean to hi-jack this thread, and feel free to PM me with any info you care to impart, or topics I've not found using the "search" button here. :D Steve
gth said: I can reload 200 .223's for right around $50 per 200. So there are savings plus my rounds are likely better suited for my gun and my purpose than WWbox.
t-st*r said: Pardon the totally noob question, but, I'm reading this forum trying to get a "list" of what I would need to begin reloading. If I wanted to start reloading .223 ammo, what exactly would I need?? I'm getting confused. I want the basic "OK here's what you need to start" kinda list. ya know?? Sorry, don't mean to hi-jack this thread, and feel free to PM me with any info you care to impart, or topics I've not found using the "search" button here. :D Steve that depends on if you're loading for anything else already; dies, powder , bullets , casings, primers, scale, case trimmer, lube pad ( you have to lube your cases) some way to clean your cases, and most IMPORTANT OF ALL- A RELOADING MANUAL- get the manual first and READ IT- then get the rest
Pl*nk said: And, about how much are we talking about spending to get started?? $100 $500 $1000?? Thanks
H*ngry said: With reloading (another hobby in itself) , you will go broke saving money.... Kinda like shopping at Costco. :evil: I like reloading since all that .223 brass prep work is soothing after dealing with teenagers all day in my high school. Reloading is cheaper than buying drinks at the bar for stress relief. Now mountain biking gets way more expensive as a means of stress relief. So back to the reloading, my mental health says reloading is cheaper. Besides, when you crank out custom made ammo for my groundhogging ventures into the pastures, I derive a certain satisfaction knowing that I can play around deciding which ear to shoot with my 50 gr VMAX Hornady bullets and 23.5 gr. WC735 Surplus powder from Higginson's as mentioned above. Sure get into reloading... it's another addiction. Barney :evil:
Pl*nk said: OK, you are not convincing me to do this.. LOL I'll just keep buying .223 and blasting away..... LOL Funny, I have started saving all my casings though.....
BC_G*y said: Price of investment is as much or as little as you want to make it. You can probably get up and running for a few hundred bucks, or you can spend easily over a grand and have a mini ammo factory. Accuracy and speed of manufacture are what you generally get with the more expensive gear, but I'm talking about fractionally better. Even with el cheapo Lee gear (or whatever), you can still produce decent custom rounds that should rival factory ammo. Sometimes the cheaper stuff is no worse than the more expensive, you just pay for the name or the warranty.
pr*sper said: $65/200 factory rounds you say? That's $32.50 per hundred. Let's assume you get the brass for free, and the powder for $30. at 25 grains, that's 11c per charge, plus 3c for a primer and 20c for a premium vmax bullet. 34c each or $34 per 100. Hornady 'varmint express' premium varmint ammo runs $17.99 per 20 or $89.95 per hundred. Compare apples to apples. Load surplus powder, and we're down to ~8c per charge, and surplus pulled FMJ's for 10c each, and you're at 21c a round, or $21/hundred. So, the cost savings are higher with premium loads than FMJ's. That's to be expected, but the performance of premiums on varmints is an order of magnitude better. Or, put another way, you can load premium ammo for the price of surplus. Anyway you cut it, your cost savings will depend on how much you shoot. For a few hundred rounds of FMJ, it's hard to justify the expense of equipment. For thousands, or for premium - it gets a whole lot easier. What this all adds up to - you'll probably continue to spend your existing budget on ammo - you'll spend the same amount. But you'll find that you end up with more ammo for your buck than before. Spend a hundred bucks for a hundred rounds, vs spend a hundred bucks for three hundred rounds.
pr*sper said: (get) A RELOADING MANUAL- get the manual first and READ IT- then get the rest Absolutely!
D*vid K said: .... Over all, reloading saves approx. 1/3 the cost (this is just a ball park figure, and there are lots of variables! ) but the advantages, are that you can "customize" your loads to the rifle, always having available ammunition, and the big plus, re-loading is FUN ! Particularly over the Winter Months, when the 'Range may not be the best place to be. ..... then there's the "Green Perspective" in that reloading recycles the MT Brass ! ..... David K. ....:canadaFlag:
J*rlath said: If you find firesales (aka gun shows and such), you can get 55gr tips for $0.07ea, @$28 a lbs, 24gr of powder is just a tad shy of $0.10 a round, $0.03 a primer, plus "free" brass, puts .223 at around $20/100 rounds or $4 a box of 20. Again as someone said, you want hi quality tips and you are looking at $20/100 in tips, which then goes to $33-34/100 which is $6.75 a box for "Good" rounds. All depends on the volumes you shoot. If you shoot 100 rounds of .223 a year, then there is little point in reloading from a cost savings perspective. 100 rounds of 300 Win Mag? It gets worth it when you save $0.50+ a round. Higher volume stuff? 1000? 2000? 5000? Hell yes :) Now, add in all your calibres, say 9mm, .223, .308 and you suddenly can save far more and the $ can make sense over 2-5 years. (give you a hint of the reloading foolios here (http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=153436))